Let the cheap Jesus impersonations cease! Look at the FAITH shown in His Prayer of John 17. 2) (TWOT) to shoot, pour. The practices of Rick Joyners school and Bill Johnsons are very similar. Torben Sondergaard was detained as a national threat for bringing firearms into the country. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. I heard it from a preacher some years ago. So she succeeded after much effort in touching the hem of His garment, and as she touched the hem of His garment, there flowed into her body the quickening lifestream, and she felt in her body that she was made whole of the plague. Correction Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. Each and every one of us amount of `gobly gook.`. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. He chose twelve disciples to preach the Kingdom of God, not to create a sect. Officials found nothing wrong. It is plain heresy. We sang no actuall worship song that I ever heard of. However, I watched the second video first. Yesterday I posted some advice to these dear brothers to run away from the spotlight, from cameras, and from those who would try to make them kings, but it looks like I may have forgotten to hit the send buttonthat was the wisdom the Lord gave to me in a flash yesterday and sought to share it. See also John 1:12-13. The only thing I think I will venture to say categorically is that the scriptures are the living word of God, alive and active! Seymour then asked the one-armed man, Can you work with just the one arm? This video does a VERY poor job showing that these people are doing. I believe we are moving In a Direction where everyone is going to say Truly God has visited us! I believe we will see believers so full of Gods spirit walk into a Veterans hospital and heal every amputee and solider who has lost a limb or body part. We find that the change from the book of Acts was imposed by the roman catholic system, The major issue is that we are dealing with the spirit realm and we can have confusion if we touch the unclean thing the unclean thing is an idol, In spiritual confusion demons operate as angels of light, and they will operate in the gifts of the spirit but the spirit is of the enemy. Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. Take a look! Where do you get your identity? At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. 13:5). But I still have many concerns, some of which were raised from Andrew Stroms own article. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. I know I have never heard it talked about that I can remember and so the Lord is teaching me. Therefore, when the scripture talks about bringing GLORY to the Lord; GLORIFYING the Lord etc etc Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? If someone cant just agree that that is what we do as we follow Jesus then they must be going their own way. How he heals is also a choice made by each believer because many think different on this also. `to go forward into the `true` thing.`. Rom 3:23 KJV For all have sinned, and COME SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD; In other words.you have failed to manifest the tangible Presence of God and His Nature. Please check your SPAM if you do not receive confirmation email. Since the Todd Bentley debacle and other waves of Charis- Although not perfect, Andrew is not afraid to call out those who are preaching a false gospel, and that is something I respect him for and have supported him for. Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. The apostles did and signs/wonders followed. I knew it would not be wise to thus lay my hands upon the sick woman, as I was likely to jar her. That is never proof of anything in Gods eyes. (Acts 19:4) Then said Paul,John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. Can look my daughters and my wife in the eye. You need to get saved from your unbelief and your incredulity! Stay bless. Are you married? and he says to them depart from Me, you worker of iniquity. Some fall into the ditch The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. Just because you believe it doesnt make it true. If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! To date they only hear and see at best a cheap immigration of Jesus works and voice in His people. Though we may not be able to pull up scriptures on the fly, well know something is wrong when we see it. Im just given minimal paying jobs and I barely make enough money to even eat. It has got to the point where I can hardly My kids and I actually went out and did it too. Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. In 2Timothy 2 we are told that the servant of the Lord instructs but it is the Lord who will give the other person instruction. Yet, there are millions who say to his face, Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. Johnsons bethel healing rooms use techniques such as father ladders, fruit loop, and four doors. The Manuel is full of rules and regulations. Ezekiel 34: 20 Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. One one scripture the practice is built by many churches and the fact of doing something based one scripture is itself against the Word that requires 2 or 3 witnesses. In Luke 9:49, 50, John said, Master we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not forbid him, for he that is not against you is for you. John wanted the disciples to monopolize the truth among themselves and exclude all those who did not belong to his group. This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? 5. I have heard the context of that statement explained by Bill Johnson in one of his sermons, He clearly stated in that sermon that Jesus is God and then he said that Jesus didnt perform His miracles as God but as Man, He explained that he was making the point and he was very clear on this in his sermon that we as born again believers can do empowered by the Holy Spirit the same miracles which Jesus completed while He was on earth as Jesus wasnt using His Divinity to perform those miracles but was performed them as a surrendered Man to the will of God, i.e. Yes, the Todd Bentley type situation has made people skeptical in a more overt sense, however the discomfort with many issues rooted in spiritual deception in the practice and structure of christianity, already existed. I praise God for the healing that God does through him and yet my heart is saddened by the lack of healing for saints suffering in the Church. Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the No one could get him to stop rejoicing and praising God. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? And immediately her flow of blood stopped. His Pioneer School videos elucidate the full gospel including repentance, water baptism, Spirit baptism, and evangelism with healing, casting out demons, and signs and wonders. What I took away from this whole deal was the value of praying with people on the street about their problems after witnessing to them. Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. If he performs miracles and preaches a false gospel of self effort religion, harsh treatment of the body , self imposed religiosity and legalism INSTEAD OF THE FAITH IN THE CROSS PLUS NOTHING THAT MAN IS A WOLF! This move of God will be marked by love, unselfconscious holiness, fullness of joy and deep loyalty to Jesus and to each other . Poor Christians get demons deceiving them and leading them astray, far away from the real God of the bible. What the gentleman from Denmark is doing can to very easily be confused with the frauds and charlatans who claim to have healing ministries. Agreed Andrew.avoid those who 2Tim3v5,,,,have a form of godliness but deny the power.we need miracles and healings etc .and oh how we need discerning of spirits to get delivered from the power of darkness and lazy religious demons.. Jesus hasnt changed! I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft OR THE SUPERNATURAL : magical Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. Fear THAT MAN! `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. Rev 13:13 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. I believed that I had been healed by God. There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. 1 Corinthians 6:11. For forgiveness of sin? You strain a gnat an swallow a camel! And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. Jhn 17:15 NASB I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but (I ask You) TO KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL ONE. The things of God are too precious to be treated as common. I received a comment from a Discerning the World reader who said: I have just found this page recently and I find it very interesting. EVERY sin and iniquity can be traced back to NOT BELIEVING 1 or any number of these 5 statements below. 1.Repent(turn back) to the Father `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). Sndergaard has been heldin a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) jail, the Baker County Facility in MacClenny, Florida, since his arrest in June. They have also filed a defamation lawsuit against a North Carolina man who Sndergaard's legal team claims has been publishing false information about the Danish preacher. He said it and that settles it. For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. After ministry, the leg grew out. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. He avoided being arrested in 2019. By its fruit you will know whether the tree is good or bad. Egypt was a type of what we are called to come out of, the harlot church, by Gods grace let us not turn and become as those Egyptian priests. An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. If a person believes I do not have to always obey The Lord Jesus , in their heart they also believe I do have to listen to Jesus . A new Spirit-one that is more interested in making men thrilled and exhilaerated than in making men holy and heavenly minded and a new hope a hope in this world and in this age- where believers will rule and reign in this present dark age rather than the blessed hope the glorious appearing of The Lord Jesus Christ from heaven and the hope in the life to come which declares , if for this life only we have hope we of all men are to be most pitied .. Attributing some of the esoteric and bizzare paychotic behavior manifestations of the historic revivals ( which was highly suspect in the eyes of most revival leaders of previous generations) AS NORMAL. Any unforgiveness or unhealed wounds of the heart that the scriptures command that we be SANCTIFIED from; HEALED from; PURIFIED from..GIVE THE DEVIL LEGAL ACCESS TO TORMENT AND ATTACK US. I am very wary of Him, indeed. Thank you for the clarification Andrew! Yeshua is not returning for Christians He is only returning for His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. Did every person that Jesus heal get born again? aberrant, abnormal, addlepated, flaky; extraordinary, fantastic (also fantastical), freak, freakish, freaky, phantasmagoric (or phantasmagorical), phenomenal; atypical, rare, singular, uncommon, uncustomary, unique, unusual, unwonted; conspicuous, notable, noticeable, outstanding, prominent, salient, striking; atrocious, outrageous, shocking; crotchety, idiosyncratic, nonconformist, nonmainstream, out-there, unconventional, unorthodox; baffling, bewildering, confounding, mystifying, perplexing, puzzling, Near Antonyms This was not the example of the early church. Torben is doing what is commanded in New testimant Christianity. These two are Gods fool proof acid tests . It boils down to: YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOD OPERATES AND YOU NEVER WILL. See what Chas351 wrote about how Jesus responded to those who wanted to make him into something, He wisely fled temptation. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, My only goal is that all would come to a point of repentance and that our Lord Jesus Christ would be glorified. HOW NOT TO GAIN ENTRANCE THROUGH HEAVENS GATES? Torben Sondergaard is married to his beautiful wife, Lene Sondergaard. No Manuels, no charging new Christians money so they can also heal the sick, no techniques, just a very simple prayer in Jesus name and IT WORKS! Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. My point is that I think it disappointing when someone wants to genuinely and biblically, test the spirits, and they are met with personal attacks rather than answering the genuine questions that are being raised. He avoided being arrested in 2019. And even the weaker among us serve a purpose in testing the character of the stronger..oh my, yes, how we treat our weaker members tells a tale, thats for sure. Jonathan, I may be wrong but I suspect you are coming partly from the hebrew roots type of people who, for the most part, want us to go back to the Law, keeping feast days etc. Let God arise and let His enemies be scattered ! How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. Well saidyou have hit a few nails on the head in your last post. Jesus said, Let your light shine "Today Torben (Sndergaard) is sitting in jail . But I dont think he forbids us either to learn and talk about what scripture teaches us, concerning not profaning the holy things (specifically miracles) and where it can lead, especially where miracles are taking place. I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. How will you ever recognize Jesus if you cant recognize him in these videos? I too have been badly wounded and burned by previous fakes and deceptions- thats no excuse for cynicism. To handle Gods holy miraculous things with hands of flesh brought forth death not life. When we do so, we first learn that the word "apostle" comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means "one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate" (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). : of strange or extraordinary character : ODD, FANTASTIC, Antonyms A few weeks later the man came back, bringing about 200 people with him, telling many at the meeting that he had gotten his old job back. Too many people are busy looking for signs and wonders and taking their eyes of off Jesus. Titus 3:5 and many more Thank God for this man from Scandinavia who was prepared to get out the boat and walk on water! If legs are lengthened, I say, Halleluia and thank you Jesus. The GLORY is the TANGIBLE MANIFESTATION OF THE PRESENCE OF GOD AND HIS NATURE. Thedude said, As I thought about this story of unchurched people coming to US I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? ". They are still carrying the sting of it, instead of saying, O death where is thy sting? The nature of deception is that those being deceived arent aware they are being deceived. 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